8. . Is conscious of timing

Hour not come /hour has come

 

8:20-59

Temple

12:20-36

(in Temple)

 

8:20-59 He spoke these words (re his relationship to the Father) in the treasury while teaching in the temple and nobody arrested him because his hour had not yet come.  He therefore repeated to them "I go and you will look for me.  You will die in your sin.  Where I go you cannot come."  The Jews therefore said "Will he kill himself because he says "Where I go you cannot come."  He said to them.  "You are of the things below.  I am of the things above.  You are of this world.  I am not of this world.  I therefore said to you that you will die in your sins.  For, if you do not believe who I am you will die in your sins."  They therefore said to him "Who are you?"  Jesus said to them "Why do I talk to you at all? I have much to say about you and much to judge.  But the one who has sent me is true.  I heard from himself these things that I speak about in the world."  They did not know that he spoke of the Father to them.  Jesus therefore said "When you lift up the Son of man then you will know that I am.  From myself I do nothing.  But I speak thee things as taught to me by the Father.  The one who sent me is with me.  He did not leave me alone because I always do what is pleasing to him." 

As he said these things many believed in him.  Jesus therefore said to the Jews who believed in him.  "If you continue in my word you are truly my disciples.  You will know the truth and the truth will set you free."  They (those who believe and yet are critics?) answered him  "We are the seed of Abraham and no one has ever enslaved us.  How is that you say that you will become free?"  Jesus answered them "Truly truly I tell you that everyone committing sin is a slave of sin.  But the slave does not remain in the house until the end time.  It is the son who remains until the end time.  If therefore you are freed by the Son then you will indeed be free.  I know that you are the descendants of Abraham.  But you seek to kill me because my word finds no room in you.  What I have seen with the Father I speak about.  And as for you, you do what you have heard from your father.  They answered and said to him "Our father is Abraham."  Jesus says to them "If you are children of Abraham you would do the works of Abraham.  But now you seek to kill me.  A man who has the truth has spoken to you.  This (is truth) which I heard from God.  Abraham did not hear this. You do the works of your father." They said to him "We were not born of fornication.  We have one father that is God."  Jesus said to them.  "If God was your father you would have loved me, for I have come forth from God.  I have not come from myself but from the one who sent me. Why do you not understand my speech.  It is because you cannot                  Continued

 

12: 20-23 Now there were some Greeks who were going up (to Jerusalem) in order to worship at the feast.  These therefore approached Philip.  This is the one who was from Bethsaida of Galilee.  They asked him saying "Sir we want to see Jesus."   Philip comes and tells Andrew then Andrew and Phillip come and tell Jesus (who was teaching in the temple).  Jesus answers them saying "The hour has come that the Son of man is to be glorified. Truly, truly I say to you unless the grain of wheat falling in to the ground dies, it remains on its own.  But if it dies it bears much fruit.  The one who loves his life loses it.  The one who hates his life in this world keeps it into eternal life.  26-36  "If anyone serves me then let him follow (me). Where I am, there  also my servant will be.  If anyone serves me the Father will honor him.  Now my soul has been troubled and what may I say?  Father save me from this hour.  But it is because of this hour that I came.  Father glorify your name.  A voice therefore came out of heaven

Continued

 

Historically John did not totally succeed in convincing Chistians about the identity of Jesus.  Some centuries later people were still arguing about this and it was because of this, to some extent, that Muhammed started Islam.